Talk Back: Racism in Thoroughly Modern Millie at NNHS
Thoroughly Modern Millie was offensive to me. White privilege denies me the right to feel the pain I experienced.
Whether you are white or a person of color, if you were not offended by the musical, you have no right to deny another’s pain. That’s my takeaway from the Talk Back.
Last night I reluctantly attended the Talk Back held at Newton North High School to discuss the stereotypes from the recent musical Thoroughly Modern Millie. Emotions were heightened as The Boston Globe was running a piece the next day and had spent an hour interviewing administrators at Newton North.
I did not want to go. This racist controversy was wearing on me. It is not even my personal bone to pick. I am a third generation Asian American and my children — ethnically Chinese, Japanese and Korean — have never experienced racism at all. This was not my cause.
I have actually spent the last year on a crusade to make available more multicultural books for children, even creating a special day for celebration this past January. And yet, maybe this is the same thing. Learning empathy from other voices through children’s books seems an effective way to combat the nascent racism in all of us and certainly bubbles under the surface of Newton as one insightful Newton North student who attended commented.
So, what exactly happened at the Talk Back? The NNHS administrators, Todd R. Young (Chair, NNHS FPA Department), Adam Brown (Director, Theatre Ink), Jennifer Price (Principal, NNHS), and Bradley Jensen (English Teacher and director and choreographer of Thoroughly Modern Millie) started it off by saying that they were here to listen.
The stories began as nearly 80 people in the room shared their perspectives.
“We do not program shows to reflect the diversity in our school. Frankly, I think we program shows to entertain our white audience.” A 17-year-old student at Newton North High School who is part of Theatre Ink
“Our son made the difficult decision not to do the show because he could not invite his grandparents, my parents, [who are Chinese American and speak with an accent] to come and see this show. … He felt like he couldn’t participate. Who else was excluded?” Jenny Chou, mother of Newton North High School Theatre Ink Sophomore
“I was really offended yesterday [her voice breaks and she is in tears]. And I read the program notes and what it said to me was there are some really bad stereotypes in here but we made it a teachable moment and everybody learned a lot so it’s ok. And it’s not ok. Teachable moments should be planned. They should not be reactions to something that someone else pointed out because that what it feels like to me.
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This was not one of those planned teachable moments. It’s not the message that I want my Asian American kids to hear that just because we learn about the issue that we can still do it. My father was an Asian American immigrant who was made fun of all the time for his accent and was never given any respect and was considered stupid until they found out that he was a doctor.
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I hope this dialogue leads to action and not just to more talk and appreciation that we learned a lot more.”
Joy Bautista, Academic Dean and Science Teacher at Boston Arts Academy
“This is a play that — I have no other way to say it — at its heart, in its DNA is deeply, deeply racist. Ignorant. There are stereotypes. You have the names Ching Ho, Bun Foo. Those aren’t actual Chinese names. What you have is a sort of a White American concept of what Chinese and Asians are meant to be and it’s there, laid out, for entertainment value.” Charlene Beh, English Teacher at Newton North High School and Co-Advisor to Thoroughly Modern Millie
“I chose to move here from Hawaii and to work here and live in Newton when it could be so much easier for me as an Asian American to live out West where people don’t question my experience as painful when I experience racism, little and big.
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To have people doubt the pain that I experience, that has been another thing that has been hard about all this stuff. Not intended at all, but it’s happened where I’ve had to have conversations with staff members who doubted the racism and pain that exists in the play.”
Michele Leong, English Teacher and Director of the Office Human Rights at Newton North High School and Co-Advisor of the Asian Culture Club and Thoroughly Modern Millie
[This is her response to White privilege Husband who was texting and failed to listen to Michele Leong and therefore wasn’t able to respond to her.]
Michele continues …
“Acknowledge and respect that our pain is real whether we are Asian or not. I know that I have many allies in this room who experienced the same pain and I ask that you all hear that.”
“[You did not make more changes] Because you are afraid someone is going to sue you [for changing the script]? And instead what happens? You have offended me. You have offended her. You have offended everybody in here. You had a teaching moment for how many nights that you performed? You think that disclaimer was going to be good enough? NO! For all this talk about doing an anti-bullying curriculum. What have you just committed? You have bullied a whole community just like that.” Andrew Leong
“Telling Asian and Asian Americans that their anger is inappropriate or that art someone trumps the validity of their feelings is an indicator how deeply socialized White Supremacy is within us. … I was concerned about the letter that went out that said “for some this will still not be enough.” But I think that if it’s not enough for some in the community, then it shouldn’t be enough for Newton North and it shouldn’t be enough for Theatre Ink. And I was really concerned about that.
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I know that Theatre Ink thinks of itself as a professional company and that’s great but that doesn’t that mean that because there are Broadway shows that are more racist than Thoroughly Modern Millie that it’s ok to do Thoroughly Modern Millie.
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There is a huge problem with casting and that fact that there was a white student — and I know that Ezra is a great actor — but that doesn’t mean that it’s ok for him to be cast as an Asian man. And there was nothing that went out about yellowface. What does it mean when the only roles for Asian students are these really stereotypical, demeaning, hurtful things? And what does it say when Asian students aren’t even given a chance to be in those roles?”
Aviva, a Newton North High School Student
“As a person of color, when white people say “don’t be angry,” it’s one just one more way to offend. It’s one more way to put down. It’s one more way to diminish the power and the truth of what is being said.” Cynthia Silva Parker
“To me it’s disappointing because we’re talking about having all these anti-bullying sessions and then the actions that the school takes by having a play like this … it’s all a lie. The actions don’t back up what the talk is. That’s disappointing to me. How can you teach kids by just talking and not showing?” Archana Szpak, parent of two kids in Newton Schools
“Art tackling stereotypical representations and using that as a point of humor. When you thinking largely about the production as it was put on these past couple of days, to me there was an element about those moments of humor within the context of an audience that was predominantly white, within a cast that was also predominantly white, and feeling that the humor felt uncomfortable and spurred deep feelings of anger, of just general discomfort, because it seemed that the representations that you saw — which in actuality they were — lacked nuance and depth of experience.
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A musical for a variety of reasons did not have a lot diverse representation so a lot of the notes around humor felt as those they were pointed and that was the larger idea around why so much discomfort was felt. I always say this to my students, when you are having a discussion about race and about stereotypes, I think it’s important to feel uncomfortable. Honestly, I don’t think you are doing the discussion right if you are feeling comfortable.” Ariel Roshlan, a first year teacher in Newton who teaches Social Studies to 10th and 11th grade and a person of color
The hurt and anger were palpable. As well, the white privilege man to my near right. I will refer to him at White Privilege Man.
A man in his late 50s were there to protest the protest he told me. As Asian Americans in the room shared their heartfelt stories of how this musical hurt them, White Privilege Man to my right made snorting, derisive noises. My husband called him out, asking him to speak up as he clearly did not agree with the Asians in the room. His point was that there were racist stereotypes in a lot of musicals and works of literature and that this was ok. When Michele Leong responded, she waited for him to reply. There was a long pause.
Why? He had been texting on his phone the entire time, not listening and not realizing that, in fact, this Michele was speaking to him.
That’s so telling isn’t it? So illustrative of the conflict between an Asian American trying to voice her feelings of not being heard and validated while While Privilege Husband snorted and texted away, not listening, not caring, not learning anything that night. And while I personally found this behavior offensive, he was an important reminder of the racism that exists in our community that takes a stubborn hold and is difficult to diminish. It won’t go away with just one night of sharing our feelings either — that much was clear!
Thankfully, the Newton North teachers and administrators were a completely different story. They truly listened, painfully, and heard, painfully, what we of color had to say. That this was bullying all over again. That this hurt us. That some rising freshman of Asian descent were now nervous to come to NNHS (breaking the heart of principal Jennifer Price).
That a grandfather and grandmother could not come to see their grandson perform because he elected not to try out for fear of subjecting them to painful racism.
An elderly Asian American man who was likely a grandfather himself made this point, “So the grandparents could not see their grandson perform.”
And then there was deadly silence as we all felt the shame, the sadness and the tragedy that could have been so easily been avoided.
Newton North teachers were brave to lend their voices about how this play and their participation made them feel uncomfortable and marginalized.
Newton North students asked why:
- In the letter from NNHS, they asked why is ok for it not to be enough? “We do apologize for the impact that this has caused and may cause members of our community. Even with these steps in place, we acknowledge that for some it may not be enough.” No, they said. We expect more from Newton North. Make it enough.
- They asked why aren’t more Asian Americans on staff as teachers and administrators at Newton North?
- Why aren’t students of color in leadership roles at Theatre Ink?
- Why can’t all students take a Leadership Class led by Michele Leong that teaches racism in order to break it down.
As each person told their story of disappointment in Newton North, of the hurt that they caused, of the pain that they felt, the emotions felt overwhelming at times. It was not surprising to see people break down in tears.
But when Adam Brown bravely said, “I’m sorry, I am so, so sorry you are feeling the anger you are feeling. We blew it. I’m sorry,” the clouds parted. He had heard us. Truly heard us. And he wasn’t making any excuses or spouting any rhetoric.
From there, the group came together. We felt validated for expressing our point of view. We felt heard. We knew we could work together and that changes, really wonderful and positive changes, were going to result from this. (Hopefully!) It felt great. We feel grateful to everyone in that room including White Privilege Man.
On the stage of life, we all have roles to play and in seeing and really hearing each other, we can make something truly great. And that is the essence of Newton North High School and living in a town like Newton.
I am so very proud of my community — students, NNHS alumni, parents, teachers, administrators, community members who are not even at NNHS, alderwoman, Asian American activists, neighbors and friends — on this day. For coming out. For speaking up. For listening. And most importantly, for the willingness to learn and grow. I am so grateful to you all for coming to my blog and attending the Talk Back. For engaging. For caring. For making our corner of the world just a little better. Thank you so much. I can not tell you what this means to me.
p.s. I taped half of the Talk Back (until my phone ran out of space). I have posted it privately on my YouTube account. If you would like to give me permission to make your portion of the video public, please contact me and I will add the video to this post. The quotes were all taken from video transcription. (Clearly, I don’t have Millie’s stenography skills!)
Thoroughly Modern Millie Talk Back Videos
One way to use this Talk Back as a teachable moment is to have students or audience members read the quotes and the compare it to the video of the exact same words. You will notice, as I have, how more affecting the video is compared to the words on the page. It’s because the video conveys the deep emotions in a way that the written word simply can not.
p.p.s. Our neighboring town, Brookline, put on Thoroughly Modern Millie a few weeks ago. There was no murmur of dissent there. Why? They had, on their own, and without pushback from parents, rewritten the musical. I do not know if they did this under the radar or in conjunction with MTI who sells the script. They made Mrs. Meers a Southerner and the two Chinese brothers undercover cops.
Brookline has a 18% Asian population. Newton has 11%. Does this 7% make all the difference? Why would Newton react differently to the racism in Thoroughly Modern Millie than our neighbor? What do you think?
Brookline High School performed its own revised version last month.
“I felt strongly the script was disrespectful,” said the Brookline director, Christien Polos. He and students rewrote the part of Mrs. Meers to change her from Chinese to Southern American and turned the two Chinese laundrymen into undercover police officers. From The Boston Globe
Related Links:
Thoroughly Modern Millie is Thoroughly Racist
NNHS Responds to Concerns About Thoroughly Modern Millie
My Take on Thoroughly Modern Millie
Throwndown NNHS: Talk the Talk or Walk the Walk? Regarding Racism in Thoroughly Modern Millie
MTI Advises How to Squelch Dissent on Thoroughly Modern Millie
Rebuttal to ‘Millie in Newton: Turn Stereotypes into Lessons
More Than 50% of Asian American Teens are Bullied in School
White Privilege and Thoroughly Modern Millie
Thoroughly Modern Millie End of School Year Takeaway
Thoroughly Modern Millie Talk Back Videos
More links:
The Boston Globe: School play’s stereotypes bring outcry and apology. “Millie” touches nerve in Newton by Ellen Ishkanian, Globe Correspondent
The Boston Globe: ‘Millie’ Flag Highlights How Old Plays are Rife with Stereotypes by Don Aucoin
The Telegraph: US high school show triggers race row by David Millward
NECN TV Segment: NECN Broadside with Jim Braude, Historical Musical Sparks Controvery at Massachusetts High School
The Boston Globe: ‘Millie’ Fight Creates a Chilling Effect by Joan Vennochi
The Boston Globe: ‘Millie’ in Newton: Turn Stereotypes into Lessons
The Boston Globe: Musical is Little More Than Staged Racism by Jeffrey Melnick (Letter to Editor in response to Joan Vennochi’s article above).
Monitoring, Exposing & Fighting Against Anti-Semitism and Racism: Thoroughly Modern Millie’ play draws controversy in Mass. over racial stereotyping
Company One: In the Intersection, Thoroughly Modern Millie Controvery at Local High School
A case study published by UMass Peter Kiang almost 20 years ago (see pages 9-13), parallels almost exactly what happened at Newton North High School. ScholarWorks at UMass Boston, We Could Shape It: Organizing for Asian American Student Empowerment by Peter Nien-Chu Kiang.
The Notebook: Racism isn’t entertainment: Why “Thoroughly Modern Millie” didn’t belong on CAPA’s stage
Resist Racism: Thoroughly Racist ‘Thoroughly Modern Millie’
Genki Speak: Racism in Our Backyard
Angry Asian Man
Village 14: Decision to Stage ‘Thoroughly Modern Millie’ at North Challenged
AsAm News: Play Filled With Offensive Images Sparks Town Hall Meeting
Greer Tan Swiston: Kudos to Newton North for a thoroughly modern update of ‘Millie’
The Boston Globe: Oh, by the way, how about a round of applause for the kids? (Letter to the Editor from a grandparent)
The Boston Globe: Choice, execution of musical informed by thoughful education process (Letter to the Editor from the writers who comprise the Theatre Arts Opportunity Committee at Newton North High School.)
The Boston Globe: We miss a vital chance for understanding when we swap out ethnic characters (Letter to the Editor from a great-grandmother, teacher and volunteer)
Arissa Oh @arissaoh 3 white ppl on @GreaterBoston unhelpfully discuss HS prodns of “Thoroughly Modern Millie.” cc: @pragmaticmom
Pawprint: Millard West Student Newspaper: Through with Thoroughly Modern Millie
The Washington Post: Twenty-Three Skiddo: ‘Modern Millie’ Doesn’t Dance
It’s an attempt, sort of, at a parody of the old-style musicals of the ’20s and ’30s, the sort jerry-built out of cheerful songs, convoluted plots, elaborate tap demonstrations and derogatory stereotypes.
IMDb: Thoroughly Embalmed Musical
Project Muse: Thoroughly Modern Millie (review)
Not Like Crazy: An Easily Overlooked Racism?
In the Spring semester at school, the Musical Theater Department put on Thoroughly Modern Millie, which was overflowing with racism in its portrayal of Asians. I must say, I was thoroughly upset about the whole thing. First, the guys playing the Asians, I believe they were supposed to be Chinese immigrants, had white face makeup and slanty eyes. I couldn’t help but think that if they’d dressed in blackface, surely there’d be an uproar (Of course, they are putting on Ragtime this year, so we’ll see how they handle that– they’re already sending out emails about how they want the black students to try out for roles because there aren’t many black people in the musical theater department *eyeroll*). That wasn’t the only bad thing about the musical, however, the villian was a white woman pretending to be Asian who pronounced her L’s as R’s, and said she used soy sauce to clean a stain. Of course, she also treated the two Asian immigrants who worked for her as if they were stupid, and the silently and humbly submit in front of her, though behind closed doors they argue in Chinese (I guess it was real Chinese), with subtitles projected above the stage. And then one of the Asian men falls in love with one of the white women in the musical, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know the deal. At the end of the musical, they get together, as if his reward for working hard and being submissive, for being mistreated, is the gift of white womanhood, the pinnacle of creation. So yeah, I was pretty pissed about that whole thing.
Myvanwy: Review of Thoroughly Modern Millie
Someone sent me video of a local comedian’s youtube video of a character I’ve seen him portray once before. To call it infantile and racially insensitive would be a gross understatement. For the targets of his ridicule, it’s every bit as offensive as a mean-spirited performance in blackface. But because it’s against one of the few groups for whom bigotry, hostility, and ridicule is still acceptable (Chinese Americans and others of Asian and/or Pacific Island descent), it’s seen as okay by most and even encouraged by other local comedians. Kevin Marshall’s America
Zak Keith: Hollywood Asian Stereotypes
Racism against Asians is often “unawares”—a form of racism that flies under the radar due to its widespread acceptance as the norm. Its interactive dynamic resembles that of an unwritten social contract. Asians in the West are expected to accept patronizing remarks and racist taunts so demeaning that perpetrators would think twice before dishing them out with such unwavering consistency to any other minority group, such as Latinos or African Americans. Asians who object to such treatment are typically met with befuddlement and offense at their audacity to make an issue out of it.
Mia Wenjen blogs at PragmaticMom: Education Matters, here and occasionally at her Asian American blog JadeLuckClub. She resides in Newton with her husband and three kids, the oldest of which will attend Newton North High School this fall. She can be found on Pinterest, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Sulia, Google +, Instagram and YouTube.
Photo credit: Grasshopper and Sensei, my oldest.
Thank you so much for taking the time to transcribe the powerful and passionate words of some of the audience members, and for providing your perspective here. I want to express my gratitude, as well, to all those who have spoken up – here and at the Talk Back and privately even before the issue went public – for their role in helping to bring this issue to a resolution.
I am so glad to read that you left the Talk Back feeling grateful, proud, and validated!! I read the Boston Globe article and felt that NNHS was holding themselves accountable for their actions, and I’m glad to hear that the article was accurate in its reporting.
As I mentioned when I first started commenting here, I do not live in Newton, but in a neighboring town. I am so happy and relieved to hear that despite the rough start, NNHS ultimately took responsibility. I hope all the towns in the area (and perhaps towns nationwide) will learn something from this experience.
I appreciate, too, that White Privilege Husband and Wife were in attendance. They seemed to represent many of the comments that were made on the Boston Globe online article that denied that racism was even an issue. Their existence alone proves that more needs to be done to educate others and spread awareness about racism.
I wholeheartedly agree with your opening statement: “Whether you are white or a person of color, if you were not offended by the musical, you have no right to deny another’s pain.”
It sounds like NNHS learned something from this experience, and I hope they will take action to make sure such racist insensitivity does not happen again. Mostly, given the strength of the words of Charlene Beh and Michele Leong, I am still surprised that their concerns were not appropriately received early on. When NNHS’s own faculty members feel so strongly about something, I hope that in the future, the school will pay more attention.
Thank you, again, for having provided a forum for this discussion.
Thank you Irene!
i understand that people were offended but don’t you think some are taking this a little too far? being a little dramatic? an incoming freshman is “afraid” to come to school? really?
sorry, but i’m sitting here rolling my eyes.
Hi LisaD,
Yes, it’s actually true and it disturbs me that you would dismiss a girl who is nervous to come to Newton North because she was bullied for her race in a Newton Elementary School and the school did nothing to stop it. And it’s not just one incoming freshman. Because for every one person who spoke out, there are likely dozens more who are too afraid to.
Perhaps you would like to meet with her? Are you a current Newton North High School Student?
LisaD, I don’t think you would be rolling your eyes if you actually been through an experience like mine, where I’ve been called every dirty Asian word under the sun, kids pulling back their eyes when they see you coming, kids greeting you with ‘ching chong chinaman’ and a bow, kids challenging and fighting you every single grade since 3rd grade. Think it’s not true? Wear my shoes for awhile.
Even as an adult in Boston I had my car scratched with “Nip, go back where you came from”. I had boy scouts doing the ching chong chinatown bit as I’m heading off to court to do my job. I’m just scratching the surface here, I just don’t want the kids of today to go through the crap I went through. So if we are going too far, a little over dramatic, then by all means. Glad you can roll your eyes, b/c it sure aint fun going through this stuff.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences Andrew. I guess it’s a kind of blessing not to have ever experienced racism like LisaD such that she doubts that it even exists. But unfortunately, it’s not true for all of us.
Pragmatic Mom, thank you for this powerful discussion re: the pain and insights that were shared by families and teachers during the Talk Back program the other night. My family was not able to attend, but your reporting here offers some validation and support. I feel grateful to all who spoke out, especially the teachers from North who were not really listened to previously and have more on the line when taking such risks. They have my utmost respect.
It does sound like some administrators heard the messages being shared. I appreciate that. I really do. However, it is not enough.
The message that LisaD posted here is proof that it is not enough. So is the fact that Asian members of the North community were only listened to after you took on a leadership role to bring this issue to the public’s attention. (Thank you so much!) And that no decision makers at North gave thought to the impact this would have on extended family members of students or incoming freshman who aren’t even part of the high school yet.
And while I have been moved by the good intentions of the students from North who have written in response to some of your other blog entries to offer support to incoming freshman, I have simultaneously been disheartened to see that most only seem able to offer that support by denying that racism exists at North. I do not doubt the good intentions of these sincere students, but their attempts to offer support through the denial of racism only serve to reinforce the concerns of the students and families who have have been hurt by it.
Like Irene, I wholeheartedly concur with your opening statement: “Whether you are white or a person of color, if you were not offended by the musical, you have no right to deny another’s pain.”
In conclusion, I want to know what North is going to do now to follow up. Saying they’re sorry is a good start, but that’s all it is. I want to see some measurable follow up on the part of North’s leaders and decision makers. How will they transform the pain they have witnessed into actions that reduce racism and the denial about it within the culture of the high school?
Hi ElliF,
“In conclusion, I want to know what North is going to do now to follow up. Saying they’re sorry is a good start, but that’s all it is. I want to see some measurable follow up on the part of North’s leaders and decision makers. How will they transform the pain they have witnessed into actions that reduce racism and the denial about it within the culture of the high school?”
Me too!!!
Hi Ms. Wenjen,
I looked up your blog after I read the article in the globe.
We have kids in high school. My wife was raised outside the US so we have some affinity for different perspectives. I also work on issues in special education as we had a difficult time with NPS some years ago. Since then I watch to see how people raise and address concerns with the school system.
We talked about the Millie play at dinner last night. The kids heard about the controversy some time ago (from theater class and a friend who was offended). They talked about it in class yesterday too.
My kids were concerned about the racism but not everyone at school felt the same way. We talked about why and believe it mostly has to do with perspective. The children’s book which comes to mind is Dr Seuss’ The Sneetches.
It was a good discussion all around so I wanted to send you a note of support.
Nice job raising the issue!
Call it a teachable moment. Hopefully we can convert a mistake in to a useful tool for consciousness raising in the future.
Thanks,
Greg S
From LinkedIn : Diversity, A World of Change
Congratulation on your being featured on the Front Page of the Boston Globe for your courageous blog about Anti-Asian racism in the local high school musical Thoroughly Modern Millie. Unfortunately, racism is everywhere on earth, in every country, society and community and is being often misused by politicians for popular votes. Anyway, life still goes on and we are still in the struggle for survival, whether there is racism or not and so, let sleeping dogs lie, in most cases.
Hi. One thing to say and only one.
This insensitive, over privileged wife you refer to is in fact my mother, and, despite what your judgmental and quick to assume mind put together is NOT married to “white privilege man”. Allow me to explain a little information about my mother.
She has dedicated her life to helping other people. She lived in Spain, France, and Morocco, all doing charitable and culturally enriching activities. She is jewish, and was informed in Morocco (by ignorant Moroccans who had never seen a Jew before) that they were under the impression she was Catholic, and that should she be Jewish they would expect her to have horns and smell. Seriously.
Once her worldwide travels took her back to the states, she worked for poor homeless people in New York who were being forced to live in slummy, crack house type hotels by the state, and she worked diligently through her brilliant law skills and exceptionally caring heart to save many families from filthy, hopeless lives. Once she was married (not to white privilege man as previously mentioned) but to a man who suffered from child abuse and also dedicated his life to helping children who are too poor to pay for medical services, or get treated with hostility due to their economic or social situations, she began to work for people with mental illness.
I urge you to seriously seriously consider the judgements you are casting at people who live in Newton. No one can choose their race, no one can choose their privileges, their wealth, gender, religion, family, etc. But they can change their lives and how they make a mark on the world. My mother is trilingual, incredibly sensitive to all forms of oppression against minorities, and an exceptional person. And furthermore, not once did she “snottily” make any comments during the session. She was there, in fact, to only listen. Please refer to your video for that verification.
I expect a sincere apology for how you spoke to my mother, my role model, the strongest and most sensitive and caring, and yes–white– woman I know. Just as I sincerely and genuinely apologize for the oppression you feel Newton has caused to you, your family, and culture. Please don’t fight your feelings of sadness with hate towards people you know nothing about. It will not help your cause, and it will not make the world a better place. You would never like anyone to talk about you as a mother the way you have spoken about mine.
Hi. I sat behind/nearby you and White Priveleged Woman. She said not one word to you the entire time. And this can be verified by anyone sitting near you, or your videos. She was silent and observing the entire time. You owe a much better apology to this girl for insulting and immediately making judgements on her seemingly incredible mother.
Ms. Wenjen,
I am an actor from the cast of “Thoroughly Modern Millie,” and, I admit with a combination of guilt and shame, the son of “White Privilege Man.” I want to say, first off, that I do not condone my father’s words or behavior at that talkback. As his much more liberal son, I can tell you that my father has a long way to go when it comes to understanding white privilege, as well as the troubling nature of any comment that seems to invalidate the emotions of a marginalized minority, for he will never be able to relate or understand the struggle. I’ve used this as an opportunity to create a dialogue within my home to help my father understand the repercussions of his inability to recognize his own white privilege, and his consequentially cavalier attitude toward this issue. He was speaking in defense of Theatre Ink, but his comment (and his texting) do go to show how much some community members have to learn. On his behalf, I would like to apologize.
That said, as my friend (“White Privilege Woman”‘s daughter) pointed out to you above, “White Privilege Woman” is not married to my father… in fact, they are friendly acquaintances who happened run into each other in the parking lot and ended up sitting next to each other at the meeting, nothing much more. That said, like “Observer,” I urge you to apologize more sincerely to “White Privilege Woman”‘s daughter, my friend. I firmly believe that the way you feel toward my friend’s innocent, extremely liberal mother who has helped a myriad of causes and done more good in this world for the troubled and oppressed than you could ever know, is nothing more than guilt by association. I don’t ask you to forgive my father. I can see why you wouldn’t, and as stated earlier, I do not condone his actions and am doing everything I can to try to change his attitude, at least to some extent. I only ask that you no longer associate my friend’s mother with his opinions, for these two people are on different wavelengths, as far as I know.
I think that your quickness to point fingers at “White Privilege Woman” stems from a misinterpretation of her supposed comment. I sat on the other side of the room, so I did not hear her say, “We are not here to support you,” but assuming she did say that (which is an assumption on my part, as nobody else has shown me evidence or even an observation of her saying that to you), she certainly wasn’t as generalizing as you claim. In your above blog post, you include a bracketed paraphrase when you quote her: “We are not here to support you [the Asian Americans].” What makes you jump so quickly to the conclusion that anybody (or at least anybody silent; I won’t speak for my father) was not on the Asian Americans’ side? Perhaps she was on the general side of the cause, just not the side of you, Mia Wenjen.
I say this because I fall into that category. I have come to terms with my white privilege, and every day I wish there were more I could do to understand and appreciate the struggle of marginalized minorities, but nonetheless I realize that the most I can do is to sympathize with the negative emotions experienced by the local Asian/Asian American community as a result of a project that I was a part of, and to never, ever ask such a vibrant community to quiet these valid and necessary statements, as difficult as they may be to hear. That said, I don’t agree with or support the way that YOU, individually, are going about this. I absolutely acknowledge and agonize over the fact that there were victims. That said, your methods seem to focus more on pointing fingers and venting about the missteps of the past than creating teachable, educational, community-oriented ways to get past that. Belligerence was present in your original blog post, as well as your attitude at the talkback. And I don’t think that belligerence is what’s going to help this community learn and grow. Luckily, you are one of few belligerent opposers of the show. Many of the Asian American speakers at the talkback presented emotional, thoughtful, painful stories and opinions at the talkback that spoke to me so clearly and that changed my outlook in a way that I am thankful for. I am such a strong supporter and ally of the local Asian/Asian American community after that event because of how much I learned and grew to appreciate on Monday, and how much this experience will continue to help me grow. But the comments and writings that made me feel this way were separate from your aggression and accusatory manner. Just because there are victims doesn’t mean that they key here is to shame a perpetrator. Overall, Theatre Ink is an amazing program that saved my life, and yes, we took a misstep, but your attitude is not nearly as effective as that of many of your much more articulate, education-oriented/community-oriented (rather than accusation-oriented) peers. Bringing people together over an issue like this includes resisting the urge to leave beloved people, or programs (especially beloved ones like Adam Brown and Theatre Ink) out of a circle of trust and learning by treating them like an enemy of a cause, as worthy as your cause may be.
So maybe keep attitudes like mine in mind before accusing valuable allies in the community like “White Privilege Woman” of opposing the entire Asian/Asian American community, which I can say, with 100 percent confidence, was neither her intent nor her action. By forming the bracketed syllogism of “We are not here to support you [the Asian Americans],” you are saying that your methods of this argument represent all the Asian Americans involved in this dialogue, which is as dangerous as saying that a woman who has dedicated her life to moving past her white privilege and helping oppressed people is the realization of white privilege (and honest to God, I am so sorry that I cannot say the same of my father). A lot of white people in that room, including me, were on the side of the Asian Americans and were hoping to be incredibly sensitive. I haven’t backed down from supporting your cause, simply because I find your cause worthier than your behavior is repugnant, but that doesn’t mean that I support you as an individual. Maybe think of that before you exclude valuable allies by using accusatory, generalizing language.
Thanks,
Peter
Once again … and for the last time… I would like the facts to be accurate on my account:
I am the person you are calling “white privilege woman” and I went to the high school alone, walked into the high school alone, and sat in an empty chair that was across the room. When I sat down, the man you are calling “white privilege man” was seated to my left, and another gentleman was seated to his left, and Mia was seated to his left.
I did not, at any point, before, during, or after the Talk Back, exchange any words with Mia.
Mia did not greet me in the circle to thank me for coming, for she was seated when I arrived, and remained seated. And I never spoke directly to her at any time. She is utterly mistaken about my identity and 100% incorrect in attributing those words to me and I am very offended.
I went to the meeting to listen and learn and that is precisely what I did — and all that I did.
Hi Tbelsam,
I recall you saying, “Just use pen and paper” during the Talk Back. This was in reference to whether or not I was allowed to videotape the Talk Back in order to transcribe the conversation in the name of education. Your remark was directed to me.
Feel free to respond as to the tone of your comment. I did not feel that your tone was intended to be helpful. And, as a matter of fact, it would have been impossible to transcribe the quotes in this post from note taking. I do not know shorthand nor did I bring a stenography machine. I uploaded more than 2 dozen videos from the Talk Back to my YouTube channel where I had to replay them back over and over again in order to capture the quotes accurately.
Mia,
I’m troubled and puzzled by your drastic action of removing most of your comments from this article without any explanation.
After the talk back, my son was agonizing that the show shouldn’t have happened and was asking himself when they could have stopped it. I’m sure many involved in the show wish it didn’t happen. But it did happen and they cannot erase the history with a click of a button.
On this blog, only you have a power to edit/erase the comments. By exercising that power, you erased the history of dialogue you had with the people who commented here. What message are you trying to give to the students who are courageously moving forward with the unerasable history?
Hiroto
From Google + Kriss MacDonald
Excellent to hear that you’re making a difference +Mia Wenjen fighting racial stereotypes as shown in Thoroughly Modern Millie. Hopefully this will stop other schools just proceeding ahead without thinking of the significance, repercussions and effects.
From Google + Beth Panageotou
+Mia Wenjen The work you did is so valuable. I am giving you a standing ovation.
“Mia Wenjen posted a transcription of much of the Asian American testimony at the Talk Back, which was held after the musical concluded. While there are a fair number of comments thanking her for raising the issue, there are a number that took issue what she said. Particularly what she said about two unnamed persons whom she referred to as “white privilege husband” and “white privilege wife.”
This is “white privilege husband”:
His point was that there were racist stereotypes in a lot of musicals and works of literature and that this was ok. When Michele Leong responded, she waited for him to reply. There was a long pause.
Why? He had been texting on his phone the entire time, not listening and not realizing that, in fact, this Michele was speaking to him.
“White privilege wife” said, “We are not here to support you [the Asian Americans]” when Wenjen greeted her.
One of the commenters claims to be the daughter of “white privilege wife” and uses 400+ words to talk about how great her mother is and how she has dedicated her life to helping small children or crack users or something. She demands an apology, all because Wenjen reported her mother said “We are not here to support you [the Asian Americans].”
Another claims to be the son of “white privilege husband” and an actor in the musical. He must have written a thousand words or so, part of them supporting the goodness of “white privilege wife” and part talking about what a wonderful human being he is.
And then he goes to the “tone” argument.
Yeah, we have heard it all before.
But I’m not sure we have “valuable allies” when our “allies” are busily writing more about how great they are. Because anti-racism with a white center will never work. Because trying to dictate how we proceed in social justice work is an attempt to control and often to silence. You can read it in the high school students’ comments. They are attempting to silence and to shame. Because white teens undoubtedly know more about racism than an adult Asian American woman who has lived the Asian American experience.
Because they are being carefully taught. Because that is one of the costs of racism.”
From Resist Racism http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/thoroughly-racist-thoroughly-modern-millie/
From LinkedIn: Diversity, A World of Change
Thank you, Ms. Wenjen, for sharing. It is indeed a thoroughly modern melee. Despite decades of “Diversity” discussions, news, books, articles and “training” in America, this nation has not yet achieved the ability to reconcile the painful realities of history with the hopes for a more equitable and peaceful future.
The problem does indeed exist and persist worldwide. It is, however, a powerful positive that we can draw attention to the problem, speak openly and freely about it, and begin anew to work toward rethinking how history has shaped our thinking. Perhaps we would all do well to reconsider what is truly “classic” and what is nostalgia, what is remembering history versus what is paying tribute to it.
By Rob Jones
From LinkedIn: Diversity, A World of Change
Excellent comments Rob. I love the challenge for all of us to think through “what is truly “classic” and what is nostalgia, what is remembering history versus what is paying tribute to it.”
I find it interesting how some people attempt to justify racial/ethnic indignity.
WGBH-TV’s actions regarding this matter is laughable. The “public” television station had 3 caucasians dialoguing amongst themselves regarding the Asian stereotypes in the play for over 6 minutes!
The irony is the fact that WGBH (a “public television” station) did not have one Asian person represented.
6 minutes is a very long time to discuss one topic in a television segment. Yet, WGBH did not have the foresight to feature one Asian-American in studio, or by remote means to present their argument or solutions.
This seems like a weird joke to me. Especially when one considers that WGBH-TV is a “community based” television station. Moreover, for those of you who don’t know, WGBH-TV is a renowned flagship public television station in Boston, MA. They produce award-winning, international projects viewed by many. We’re not talking about some low powered, signing off the air at dusk type of entity. This is a powerhouse TV station.
I’m confident Ms. Wenjen would have made herself available in some form. Especially since it was Ms. Wenjen’s blog that brought serious attention to the play’s cultural insensitivities. Even if she wasn’t available, certainly there are other Asian-Americans who could have addressed the issues during WGBH’s panel discussion.
I am amazed at the audacity of WGBH-TV. Not inviting any of the offended parties to the table for dialogue was a gross miscalculation.
A public television station with a stellar history of advocating for transparency actually pulled a stunt like this. Oh my, how times have changed. Amazing…
By Michael Jones
Hi Michael,
I wanted to let you know that WBGH contacted me the morning of the show via email asking me to call so that I could provide background information. I called back that morning and left two messages but no one ever returned my call.
“Ms. Wenjen,
I’m the Arts Editor for WGBH and this evening will be discussing the “Thoroughly Modern Millie” story on our program. I’d like to speak to you for background if you have a moment. Would you mind calling me at the number below?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Best,
Jared Bowen”